Rules Discussion. (CLOSED)

i agree with rule 3 on pvp ... for caes i don't see a reason to have "survival games" with out resource control and bartering

 

Honestly, I would say the Caves and such are fine to fight in but claiming them by making a base on them seems excessive, but forcefully controlling them seems fine.. I.E. No Doors on caves, but if you encounter each other in said cave it's okay, as much as I hate PvP if it exists I think there should be some limits to fighting in the excessively dangerous areas. You are already going there with the existence of Spiders/Scorpions, adding in players while a decent threat increase, seems to me a recipe for frustration. (I mean how often do we randomly go out and get slaughtered relentlessly by just the Dinosaurs already). Keeping bases a decent distance from Caves can also be considered a issue too, because technically while it isn't "Controlling the Cave via base" I can see crafty people building watch tower-like bases to oversee the cave door and effectively be a "secondary/alternative" type door. It also is incredibly easy to knock someone out with straight punches. So, my second concern about bases being too close is "Zerg rushing" a cave with a bunch of hide bags/simple bed positions setup around the Cave system.

I mean the game is also still Early Access so some issues are abundantly clear, such as I think Base attacking should be limited, breaking in is fine, but keep it reasonable, I.E. Don't be a dick and ride a trike into someones base and wreck the entire thing.. As a Trike or Steggo takes all of 45-2 minutes to wreck an entire base that took someone days to make. It's like a Trebuchet from RoK but the Treb Ammo being 2000x more effective. Be reasonable. Also the fact that you can't lock chests, try not to completely clear someone out as to make them lose days + hours of work.. Just take what you feel is "A decent and practical amount."

Max size on tribes should be based on personal preference, just know if the Tribe is too big I feel it may cause some imbalances, but not as much as a Tribe of 4 people that are on 24/7 or near that number as they'd have more time to get access to the higher levels and faster. I mean it's kind of unfeasible to suggest but maybe limit the amount of highly active people allowed in each Guild?

Basically, to sum it all up, "Don't be a dick" would be my main rule.

 

I second Origin's last statement. I'd say defending a cave as if it is your own is extremely excessive considering there aren't many of them and considering they are required for so many things. Defending your main base is one thing laying claim to something the game requires to progress is entirely another. If you do so then yes you are being a dick and I think that gives everyone on the server the right to hunt you down and beat you mercilessly. Don't be a dick and others wont be a dick to you basically.

 

I don't want to PVP. I don't want bases to be raided. I definitely don't want access to the cave blocked by other players or bases. PVP events like we did with reign of kings would be nice.

Tribe size is tough, friends like playing with friends, but I would say try to keep it under 25 per clan.

I don't wanna see players building on top of each other. I like my space.

 

I believe that the grieving should not be allowed. Looked down up is just one short part of it, but for somethings it takes hours to gather/build or search for things that many could rage quit. NOT to mention since people are always in the game, there are no safe items because you can kill the dinos or person.

Caves should always be open to all, but can still kill for the use of it.

Killing people near ones base should be allowed and if you build your base near an enemy, that is the builder's fault and would need to fight or come to a truce.

Tribes size or rules for tribes shouldn't really be restricted at this point as we don't really see any taking over, but if one you must limit it you should think about how many are on the server regularly and come up with a number.

Anything to be discussed would depend on others thoughts.

 

I honestly don't want PvP, but if we have it, like i've said previously.. I really want the griefing and stuff that could cause people to quit playing in frustration to be minimal... Because at the end of the day this game is meant to be played for fun, and if people start to have issues having fun; I feel that'd be a big negative.

 

I dont fully understrand this convo... Wether its about a PVP server only, or one server balanced for combined PVP/PVE... Im gonna assume you are talking about the latter and people wanting PVE having to discuss PVP on the PVE server we are already playing.


--- PVP / Griefing ---

im not interested in PVP, if i were i'd be playing on the public servers. I wanna have fun with friends and cooperate against the excellently implemented NPC threat this game has. The game is challanging enough as it is without worrying about players that are looking to kill other players, while im not setup for pvp and just out there collecting resources and minding my own business.

Other games lack NPC/AI threat (too easy) and thats where PVP "HAS TO" be considered. If it comes to that stage in ARK later on, then we should discuss again what to do. Thats my opinion...


--- Base Building for Different Tribes ---

I think roughly 1 kilometer distance minimum from another tribe is needed. Our base for example obviously started out small but we had plans to have a large walled town. possibly looking at about 0.75 kilometer diameter. Someone not in our tribe had made a hut too close which stopped our build for a short while, till it was removed.

The world map is HUGE and even 1 kilometer minimum distance could be considered too close tbh.


--- Tribe Size ---

This ones tricky. Its nice to have a small group go out together and its nice to go out in a huge group. Two different fun types of exploring the world.

I'll leave others to discuss this further though


--- Caves ---

Blocking of caves is a no no for me. I dont think parts of the game should be blocked off for use by anyone.

 

• Rules - Griefing and what it all would be
  Griefing: camping someone and killing them for no reason or gain over and over again (more than twice).
  
  
• Rules - Caves Fight over them or Keep them open to all
  Caves should be open PvP. Not sure if you can stop people from building in them or not.
  
  
• Rules - Killing people Who come near ones base
  Killing someone on sight when they are near a base is pretty common, maybe have a 5 second rule to parlay before opening fire?

• Rules - Building bases near one another
  How can this really be governed? Distance to another persons base?
  
  
• Rules - Tribes Max Size or Rules on Tribes?
  Unfortunately, as long as people are in the same tribe, there is CURRENTLY no way to restrict chest or door access based on rank so everything is accessible at the moment. I wish they allowed personal PIN's on chests and doors in addition to guild access rights according to the rank level.
  
  
• Rules - Anything Else I should add here for people to Discuss?
  So far I think most of the good questions have been asked. If you intend to speak to the developers, let me know I have some ideas for balance as I am sure we all do.. ^_^

 

Caves should be contested, i mean, everyone went there for the same thing, if you can co exist peacefully go ahead, if not, don't see the harm in gaffing someone for it.

Bases should be off limits when no ones around, i logged in to my door kicked in, thats cool, but is the person who did it going to be happy when i kick theirs in with an RPG and setup a sentry on their spawn point? probably not. Just to clarify i am not that much of a dick, but hey, i have the materials to waste and id rather waste it on that than fixing a door someone kicked in, its more entertaining for the time investment.
Escalating situation, or at least someones going to get severely butthurt, i enjoy killing people, its not so much fun when they quit playing.

Spawn camping, big nono, if you killed them in all that gear how much of a challenge is it to kill them buck naked?


Don't care if a base is close to mine.

don't care about tribe size, chances are we will have to get along to down the bosses at the obelisks anyway.

All in all i generally wont kill anyone unless i see them near my base, pretty sure most people know where it is by now, its not on any caves or anywhere even worth being, or even remotely close to somewhere worth being, add to that i've seen countless people in the wild and just kept going, not like its KoS or anything.

 

So pvp is open, but not in peoples bases? Is that the idea? because that sounds nice to me, The biggest frustration I get is when people bust into my base, take everything AND destroy the whole thing. Part of the big enjoyment I get out of these games is the building aspect and when I log on and the base I just spent the last week building is torn to bits I basically say screw it and leave the server.

 

Yeah I didn't expect rules to change pre-wipe

 

The problem with waiting to impliment the rules is that the ones you want to enforce those same rules on will fight back even harder because you let them get away with shit for so long. It happened in FF and will happen here. Make the call now and save yourself frustration later.